More Drama With 12DailyPro
This 12DailyPro thing is just getting crazier, and sadder, by the day. The latest news is that the convention that they've been planning for months has been cancelled at the last minute -- too late for most people to get refunds on their plane tickets and hotel reservations. Charis, 12DP's owner blamed it on the media, and many of her supporters are backing her up by saying they believe if it had gone ahead, it could've resulted in serious, and lethal, violence.
I believe that's possible. A lot of 12DailyPro's members are truly desperate. Many of them are financially ruined and emotionally shattered. This is one 12DailyPro member's anguished message to his fellow members:
My first thought was that anybody who gets mixed up in any kind of online ponzi scam deserves to lose their money. Sometimes the only way to learn is the hard way. There's an old saying that you can't con an honest man. And there's a lot of truth in that. It's hard for me to believe that anybody looking at one of these schemes wouldn't have at least a tiny notion that something was fishy But reading these people's stories it really does seem that they were willing to put their trust in the people who encouraged them to join, and in Charis. And didn't worry about how it was going to work, just as long as it did.
Here are some more links:
16 Feb 2006 Better Business Bureau Reliability Report for StormPay
16 Feb 2006 Charis Johnson Cuts Off All Communication (Pogue's Blog)
18 Feb 2006 The FBI's Probe in StormPay and 12DailyPro Heats Up (ABC4)
18 Feb 2006 Autosurf Investments = Ponzi Scheme (Coin on the Side)
20 Feb 2006 Modern-day Firm Brings to Mind 1920 Ponzi Scheme (AZCentral.com)
21 Feb 2006 Who Has the Money? 12DailyPro Members Look for Federal Help (ABC4)
I came across a blog called Psychology of Compliance that's absolutely brilliant. There are a couple of entries about 12DailyPro (here and here), but there are lots of other posts well worth reading. Including one about how fraud often involves a parody of reason. And another that describes a recently-busted pyramid scam targeting Cambodians living all over the US.
I've said before that he head-games involved in these scams can be seriously twisted, and I'm glad to see that somebody -- even if it is a bunch of lawyers (but hey, at least they're real lawyers!) -- is looking at some of the techniques these scammers use.
I believe that's possible. A lot of 12DailyPro's members are truly desperate. Many of them are financially ruined and emotionally shattered. This is one 12DailyPro member's anguished message to his fellow members:
This is really taking its toll on me in every way. I'm trying so hard to be patient and supportive, but no matter what I do, I feel so helpless, desperate and let down. Cry I know I am not alone in feeling frustrated, we are all going through various emotions....What can we do to reclaim our funds? Nothing. We cannot issue chargebacks or do anything to get back part of what we lost. We just basically lost it all. This is one of the worse feelings that I have ever had. The ones that are responsible for doing this to all of us, obviously don't care and have been using our money on things that are not as important like the medicine that my mentally challenged son or I need, or groceries, or in our case, christmas presents because we didn't get a christmas this past year because of this. It was so depressing. Have you ever had to tell your child that there are no presents to open on christmas? I felt so low at that point, but not nearly as low as I am feeling now. I'm just feeling so bogged down with the realization that I was taken advantage of and I trusted the wrong people.and an equally painful reply:
I feel for you. I'm kinda in the same boat too. But keep your chin up,have faith . Things will work out soon.I have learned if you think positive positve things will happen. In my life I have figured out that no matter how tight things become I have overcome the situation one way or the other. Think Postive. Don't feel bad I have a a 9yr old complaining there is not enough food to eat etc,etc. Keep the faith.In just a single forum discussion area, there were dozens of similar messages. So many of these people entrusted Charis with money they really couldn't afford to lose.
My first thought was that anybody who gets mixed up in any kind of online ponzi scam deserves to lose their money. Sometimes the only way to learn is the hard way. There's an old saying that you can't con an honest man. And there's a lot of truth in that. It's hard for me to believe that anybody looking at one of these schemes wouldn't have at least a tiny notion that something was fishy But reading these people's stories it really does seem that they were willing to put their trust in the people who encouraged them to join, and in Charis. And didn't worry about how it was going to work, just as long as it did.
Here are some more links:
16 Feb 2006 Better Business Bureau Reliability Report for StormPay
16 Feb 2006 Charis Johnson Cuts Off All Communication (Pogue's Blog)
18 Feb 2006 The FBI's Probe in StormPay and 12DailyPro Heats Up (ABC4)
18 Feb 2006 Autosurf Investments = Ponzi Scheme (Coin on the Side)
20 Feb 2006 Modern-day Firm Brings to Mind 1920 Ponzi Scheme (AZCentral.com)
21 Feb 2006 Who Has the Money? 12DailyPro Members Look for Federal Help (ABC4)
I came across a blog called Psychology of Compliance that's absolutely brilliant. There are a couple of entries about 12DailyPro (here and here), but there are lots of other posts well worth reading. Including one about how fraud often involves a parody of reason. And another that describes a recently-busted pyramid scam targeting Cambodians living all over the US.
I've said before that he head-games involved in these scams can be seriously twisted, and I'm glad to see that somebody -- even if it is a bunch of lawyers (but hey, at least they're real lawyers!) -- is looking at some of the techniques these scammers use.
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